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Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged www.SeattleSoccerExaminer.com GS-1 Administrator member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 13,305 Location: The Sound of Soccer Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #1 on Apr 13, 2009, 3:58am » Related: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sounders/2009029302_sounders13.html and http://www.seattlepi.com/soccer/405079_dragavon13.html Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged www.SeattleSoccerExaminer.com ravegreen1 GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 669 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #2 on Apr 13, 2009, 6:45am » We can call it a mistake. It was a tough one. There is just no way that wasn't dramatic though. KC was just so smug or euphoric at the end. It just makes me mad that it was our first loss at home. We owned them too, but that won't show up on any stat. I want us to destroy KC the next time we match up. His timed slide... if it was just in the box he could have stretched out his arms.... oh man... what COULD have been. « Last Edit: Apr 13, 2009, 6:46am by ravegreen1 » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Section 138 is wicked awesome! KFox1979 GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Jul 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 1,959 Location: Section 145 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #3 on Apr 13, 2009, 6:48am » Apr 13, 2009, 6:45am, ravegreen1 wrote: His timed slide... if it was just in the box he could have stretched out his arms.... oh man... what COULD have been. Very true... his work there showed that it is going to be real tough to score on. Gomez was on a breakaway and Keller just ate it up(granted outside the box and illegal). Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged yakimasound Blue and Green member is offline Joined: Mar 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 187 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #4 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:31am » Just watched that play again Here are my deductions. a) the flick was a thing of beauty b) Scott got beaten like he stole something and was way out of position. c) Keller obviously made the wrong decision. With Marshall and Scott covering back and the angle at which the run was being made. I think if Keller hold his line or at least waits one more second to charge, with coverage behind him, I don't think its a goal. Bad decisions in a split second can cost a game. This was one of those decisions. It sucks. And hopefully I don't hear it for this one. But yesterday affirmed to me that Scott is just not starter material. He is very well rounded and a good asset. But He makes too many mistakes and gives up the ball sometimes in a crucial manner. I like the guy, I just see him as THE weak spot on our deffense. Furthermore the way he clears the ball toward the goal line (he has done it at least once per game) gives me a heart attack almost everytime. If we score an own goal this season. Unfortunately Scott would be the least to surprise me as the culprit. Once again I love Scott and hope I'm wrong. And I was actually one of the people who thought he would be able to mature to the level of play we are at now. BUt it hasn't happened yet and I'm starting to question if it will. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Gunky GOAL Seatttle! member is offline WE WIN TROPHIES TOO! Joined: Oct 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 573 Location: North Seattle Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #5 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:43am » I'm sure this has been said in other threads, but i must say that we still looked rather dangerous while playing a man down. I am impressed with how we battled. KC celebrated because we are respected. They know, more than anyone else that to come to Seattle and get 3 points is going to be rare this season. I was really bummed how it all went down, the ref seemed to be all over the board for both sides, Keller's card would have been called in any match in any country, and it was the right call. He was beat. Having Keller make his mistake will take some of the pressure off of him for the rest of the season. Now all of the unscored upon talk can go away and he can settle in. He will get scored on, he will make mistakes, and he will lose matches. I was worried like others have said that the longer that streak goes the harder the fall when it ends. What has me still excited, is the fact that after the half when we regrouped, we took it too them a man down. one finish and we get our three points. Am i the only one who thought Jewsbury got away with more than one challenge that could have been his second yellow of the match. Besides my bias opinion, i remember thinking on several hard challenges, that Jewsbury was on the edge. typically a guy like that will take less chances when i gets a yellow so early in the match. They were fouling the crap out of our guys most of the match. KC seemed like a bunch of whining bitches on the pitch, i wonder how much being in the ear of the ref had to do with the way the match was called. At any rate, we can HOLD OUR HEADS UP, our boys battled. No one likes to lose. The best part is that we can go to KC for a little payback! Too bad no one will be there to see it Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged ~Mi casa es el verde fortaleza! Donde esta la tuya?~ GS-1 Administrator member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 13,305 Location: The Sound of Soccer Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #6 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:45am » And yet, the KC goal was actually created out of a mistake by James Riley, not Zach Scott. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged www.SeattleSoccerExaminer.com CarlosT GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,229 Location: Currently exiled to SF Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #7 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:56am » More to the point, even in this loss there are more positives than negatives. Were there mistakes, sure. Every team makes them every game and sometimes you're punished and sometimes you're not. This time, Keller's mistake and Riley's mistake cost us. But to focus on that is to miss the point. If Montero's free kick is six inches lower or if another one of our many chances were finished with a little for accuracy, then we're talking about Arnaud's goal as a stunning equalizer, or an amazing consolation goal. Sure, KC had whiffed chances, too, but we were controlling the game for pretty much the entire second half. If Keller doesn't get sent off, then we win this game, pretty much no doubt in my mind. There's no reason to get too negative. If we'd lost the way we beat New York, RSL, or TFC, then sure let's get worried. But we came a half a handspan away from taking a point after playing with a man down for two-thirds of the game and very close to taking all three points. Even in unfortunate circumstances, this team showed they are the real deal. « Last Edit: Apr 13, 2009, 8:04am by CarlosT » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged www.sounderatheart.com "Fredrik Ljungberg shows mästarform" yakimasound Blue and Green member is offline Joined: Mar 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 187 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #8 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:59am » Apr 13, 2009, 7:45am, GS-1 wrote: And yet, the KC goal was actually created out of a mistake by James Riley, not Zach Scott. Well you can't really site Riley's missed tackle as the reason behind the goal because we had a chance to stop it after the missed tackle, In fact we had numbers on the ball but noone attacking it when it was on the foot of their most dangerous goal scorer in the area he loves to hit it the most, What amazes me was When Davey shoots he has Jaqua, Marshall, Riley, and Scott within like 5-7 yards of him yet no-one is on the ball. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged dmain Sounder Junkie member is offline Joined: May 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 304 Location: Gig Harbor Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #9 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:59am » Apr 13, 2009, 7:45am, GS-1 wrote: And yet, the KC goal was actually created out of a mistake by James Riley, not Zach Scott. yep. But the comments about Scott have always been the issue with him. moments of great play and moments of WTF? I think it all comes down to confidence for him. BY that I mean dwelling on mistakes during the game and then second guessing himself and his decision making. Moving on to KK ya i think he made the wrong choice probaly should have held his line a little longer. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Seattle: Title Town USL **** KFox1979 GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Jul 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 1,959 Location: Section 145 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #10 on Apr 13, 2009, 7:59am » Montero's shot was actually dropping.. I honestly think if he had put it a little wider it would have dropped perfectly into the corner... as it was it clanked off the crossbar in the middle of the goal. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged CarlosT GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,229 Location: Currently exiled to SF Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #11 on Apr 13, 2009, 8:13am » Apr 13, 2009, 7:59am, KFox1979 wrote: Montero's shot was actually dropping.. I honestly think if he had put it a little wider it would have dropped perfectly into the corner... as it was it clanked off the crossbar in the middle of the goal. I think you're right. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Seriously people, think of the recent expansion teams in their first seasons. Or for that matter, the majority of teams in MLS. What do you think happens to them if they lose their number one keeper half an hour into the game. Do they dominate the second half? Does it take a wondergoal that is close to being saved to beat them? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged www.sounderatheart.com "Fredrik Ljungberg shows mästarform" ravegreen1 GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 669 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #12 on Apr 13, 2009, 8:41am » can somebody look up Keller's red card stats? has he received a red card before? if so when? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Section 138 is wicked awesome! gstommylee GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Aug 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 1,066 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #13 on Apr 13, 2009, 8:46am » Na that would be the first red card he gotten at least going back to 1998-1999 at least that's what ESPN.com stats said. « Last Edit: Apr 13, 2009, 8:50am by gstommylee » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged manaia GOAL Seatttle! member is offline Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 525 Re: Keller's Mistake « Reply #14 on Apr 13, 2009, 9:32am » Sigi made some major mistakes in this game as well, so lets not put all the blame on Keller. Notably, taking of LeTeoux and not using the bench sooner when it was clear our players were tiring. He also didn't put us in a more defensive formation and when they scored it was right after we had several players go too far forward on an attempted attack and I thought holy shit here we go they're going to score on the other end...and I was right..they did. 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